tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8708273719674528189.post5050657461028687523..comments2024-03-22T00:20:38.510-07:00Comments on Adam Riggio writes: Under an Alien Heaven Dreaming of a Lost World, Composing, 08/09/2013Adam Riggiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14606510835439580828noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8708273719674528189.post-84328156271463147552013-09-08T09:56:51.538-07:002013-09-08T09:56:51.538-07:00Wild stuff, look forward to what you end up produc...Wild stuff, look forward to what you end up producing. It might be entertaining for you to write it in a Hegelian manner: three even divisions for each world, with a thesis-antithesis-synthesis setup (but of course an ironical commentary rather than actual synthesis in the third section). Tom Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04942888225118081569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8708273719674528189.post-24083167724270476732013-09-08T08:44:10.385-07:002013-09-08T08:44:10.385-07:00If anything, I find your reaction fascinating beca...If anything, I find your reaction fascinating because it's nothing like what I want the story to explore. This project is the purest version of what you could call world-building. It's been enough time that whole civilizations rise and fall, and this multi-stellar culture(s) would be just as alien to ours as ours would be to an ancient Babylonian. Motives at personal levels are the same: prestige, money, sex, power. But the content those motives would give life to would be totally different from our own.<br /><br />Two examples. New Earth is totally racially mixed, and has been for centuries. It doesn't really have ethnic divisions that would constitute different communities. Jorge's last name is Patel. I imagine New Earth as what happens when a whole world is colonized with laissez-faire attitudes when all the major communities are even in their powers. New Earth is corrupt corporate capitalism in its purest form run amok. If anything, there are feudal class divisions based on your family's corporate loyalties. But they aren't organized by formal rank — an Apple exec doesn't consider himself somehow better than a steel industry exec, just in a different line of work.<br /><br />Earth/Terra, in contrast, takes seriously what would happen to a society that runs out of raw materials: they really go full hippie. They're wards of the economic state for Mars and Ganymede, the worlds in Sol that still have usable amounts of metal. There's nothing left on Earth for developers to get rapaciously greedy over. So they just throw up their hands, and turned into a planet of research scientists, psy-trance hippies, and isolated communities of religious social conservatives.<br /><br />The androids didn't withdraw to a cold, austere set of spaceships. They've built a centuries-long cultural renaissance of constant and radical artistic experimentation, total social equality (because they don't need any resources but the power to recharge their batteries), and their relations consist of ironic drama and constant recreational consequence-free sex. They've retired from humanity not to rule over them in secret, but because they're tired of having to slow down to talk with these creatures. Adam Riggiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606510835439580828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8708273719674528189.post-70824836131067442142013-09-08T08:20:35.321-07:002013-09-08T08:20:35.321-07:00As always, I apologize for the typos and extra wor...As always, I apologize for the typos and extra wordsTom Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04942888225118081569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8708273719674528189.post-52800066727231145002013-09-08T08:19:16.049-07:002013-09-08T08:19:16.049-07:00Interesting mashup of classic science fiction -- t...Interesting mashup of classic science fiction -- the black skin reveal of Stranger in a Strange Land, the endurance of a sensitive and all-too-human robot reminiscent of R Daneel Olivaw. <br /><br />Of Jorge, what is the significance of his skin color and the pollution of his world? You could develop it along the lines of the colony strikes back (dark complexion from pollution land wants to tell white skin rich people that they're privileged), but that is well-trod territory that preaches to the choir (since you're unlikely to have readers who think that people of different skin color who come from poor countries are ignorant savages). How about if he were instead the ultimate pro-colonial type? Wants to get back to Earth because he thinks that's the real world, like a bright Indian student who wants to get a degree from Oxford because that's the only school that matters -- he might be overlooking the reality of a third power actually in ascendency, maybe an inner track of non-national power that flows across the colonies. Sort of a Canadian in England c 1925 excited to be part of the rebuilding of the center of the universe, only to realize that actually the center has in actuality shifted to the US, but then the US is reluctant to admit it. And of course the big thing about power is when you have it, you don't need to think about it.<br /><br />Of Alice: What is the point of living for thousands of years in a group of spaceships with a bunch of the robots who don't age and where no new life is introduced to the community? Where is meaning derived from in such an example? I think this sounds quite pitiable, like meeting an old spinster who has refined her life to a perfect routine and excels at some craft or other that no one cares about and which has no benefit for anyone else. Lived lived for 4000 years, if you call that living.<br /><br />To tie these threads together, you could have Jorge slowly realize that power has become concentrated not in one world or one polity/ government, but rather in a Philosopher King set-up orchestrated by robots -- only to grow increasingly sensitive to the divisions within that oligarchy and the very different pathways that are being prepared for humans. This in turn is reminiscent of Iain Banks's Culture but the distinction would be in much scaled-down AI. Alice as a very old robot might be as skeptical of the ascending AI power as she is of human power. To my mind, her character would be interesting as a view point but would really mobilize the narrative if she were to have a definite vision that she's been pursuing the whole time (probably with a mix of irony and a dose of fanaticism). But what bizarre future could a robot spinster Christine Hendricks have been pursuing these 4000 years??<br /><br />Of course, if the vision were one rooted in your (Adam's) philosophical understanding of experience, and extrapolated to an insane degree as the genre allows, that would be pretty interesting.<br /><br />Just thought I'd engage to my utmost, hopefully you don't feel I'm transgressing on your authority autonomy. Tom Crosbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04942888225118081569noreply@blogger.com